Fast, Integrated, Hosted CRM: Where is it?

February 1st, 2007

[UPDATE 1: I want to offer a special welcome to those of your from the Freshbooks forums. Thanks to VortexPortal for the link.]

[UPDATE 2: 37Signals has announced the release of its Contact Management Tool formerly known as Sunrise—now Highrise. You can read my first impressions on it or the announcement from 37Signals.]

After a stupid (and refreshing) hard drive failure on my main computer, I lost lots of data and emails etc. I was using SugarCRM as a solution for contacts. It is open-source, and therefore free, but not without issues.

I had it installed locally on my box instead of on my webserver because I was just one person (then). Now that it is gone due to a corrupted backup disk I am searching for a new solution.

Initially, I thought about reinstalling SugarCRM, but this time on my webserver. I cringe at the thought of going through the install process as well as dealing with the inherent lack of perfomance on my server. My host server is not a high performance system. It is an inexpensive shared server meant to host small websites with little traffic and so burdening myself with questionable speed in managing my contacts, appointments and lead tracking is just bad business.

The Search for a New CRM Solution

I started searching for options this morning with an awareness of some hosted and installed applications: The installed I have tried and left are vTiger and SugarCRM. Neither did what I needed and both did way more than I would, could ever need. There are a number of hosted services for the really small business , like mine and I have signed up for ZohoCRM and BigContacts but neither seem to do what I want.

The big problem is that I already use some hosted applications such as Gmail, Freshbooks and Basecamp, GoogleReader, and GoogleWriter and to a small extent, GoogleCalendar and none of these comfortably coexist. What I want is a applications that work together.

Personally, I think that Google going in the right direction with Google Calendar and GMail. I love the speed and flow of working in the Google interfaces but Google doesn’t look at the two and say, “Lets mesh these into a compact, fast and lightweight CRM solution for Small Business. I am not an application developer, but I think it would be relatively easy to take the next step and allow more robust contact management and event scheduling.

If I could log in to GMail and lookup a contact and see notes, tasks, meetings, calls with that individual, schedule such activities in the future, assign categories, and link documents, I would give up localized contact management and my desktop email app forever.

Google Apps are Fast Enough for Every Day Use

The reason? Google apps are fast and user friendly, period. Last week I became frustrated with my desktop feedreader and decided to give GoogleReader a try and wow! It is immeasurably faster than FeedReader. GMail is equally fast and effective at managing my emails and after playing with GoogleWriter, I can see the possibility of using hosted apps for most everything. I just need to see this missing app–the integrated CRM for small business.

Integrated CRM is Missing

Yes, I said it was missing. What about ZOHO and BigContacts? Well, they are both limited, ZOHO is a linear application that requires page reloads for every think you click on. BigContacts is limited for a number of reasons: it is not really doing CRM but contact management and calendaring. Where it does win is speed. It is build using AJAX (for good) which makes it fast and desktop-like. When you click on a link something immediately happens without a page reload–this is what Google is doing already. BigContacts suffers from the inability to create repeating activities. If you have a meeting every Tuesday at 4:00PM, you are going to need to schedule this manually. So much for the “management” side.

That being said, almost all of the CRM applications I have tried, don’t do this correctly. Many of the meetings and calls I do as a consultant are weekly or bi-weekly and who wants to have to spend time to add all these appointments. Both ACT! and Outlook have done this for years but I guess the hosted and installed application developers think that this is not important.

Sundown on 37Signals’ CRM Solution?

I came upon this article about Basecamp creators 37Signals coming out with a hosted CRM called Sunrise HighRise back in the first half of 2006 and have found nary a word about it since the middle of ‘06 about it. I don’t know if this is because 37Signals had objectives shift after their cash injection from Jeff Bezos? I like the way BaseCamp and Writeboard work so I would love to test their idea of a CRM but alas it is nowhere to be found (although, it is reportedly being used in house at 37S).

Google is Closest to the Finish Line. Are They in The Race?

I think, based on my experience, Google has the shortest path to successfully launching a CRM application because they already have the pieces of the puzzle and the proven performance to make it mainstream. If 37Signals ever comes out with Sunrise Highrise, it may be a fierce application, and a significant tool for all small business.

One final note: If I found that all this could work for me in an integrated fashion, I would be willing to pay for it–it just has to work!

What are you using? What features are you missing?

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7 Comments Add your own

  • 1. wes  |  February 16th, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    You post about your quest for the perfect (light, fast, nimble) CRM that compliments Freshbooks, Gmail, Gcal, and Basecamp is exactly my thoughts. Its hard to believe 1) its taken 37Signals almost 2 years since they first started talking about a CRM to actually release Highrise and 2) its hard to believe Google hasn’t capitalized on this gaping need.

    Hopefully, our dreams will be realized soon… As of now, I have my contact management spread around about 5 different apps and it drives me crazy with confusion and lost data.
    Wes

  • 2. jay  |  February 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Wes,

    I don’t know what is happening at each of the respective applications development teams but it seems that they are all slow to the game.

    The one that really bugs me is Google. It just doesn’t make sense that I can’t integrate GCal and my Gmail contacts in a meaningful way. I should be able to also store more data about my contacts, have a record of my contact activity and in GCal be able to mark activities completed so that they show as held, not held and etc.

    Google wants to have people to use Google Apps for your domain but what good is it if you still need to have your desktop counterparts or some other hosted application. I don’t really need online spreadsheets but online contact management and relationship software. GCal and Gmail work as if the other didn’t exist. This is crazy. I know that Google is huge and the teams for each are like seperate companies but their should be a visionary at Google who can stitch it all together.

    I mentioned in my post that I gave up on SugarCRM and I have considered switching back but it is so painfully slow since it doesn’t have fast enough interface and addons are so very commercially focused that it is not worth another (3rd look).

    I have recently started playing with Stikkits and it seems to be very promising but again the integration is not there and the developer community is nearly non-existent so it doesn’t matter that they have tremendous API documentation. I don’t have time to work on all my projects let alone “building” an application interface.

  • 3. wes  |  February 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    Once again you are spot on. I’ve tried SugarCRM, TigerCRM, Zoho CRM, etc and they are just too slow and cumbersome (especially lacking the Gmail integration, my number one app). I’ve been playing with Stikkit and it definitely has some promise… For my todo’s though, its tough to beat RemberTheMilk due to its very slick integration with Google IG and Netvibes.

    I’m going to add your RSS feed to my feedreader and keep an eye on what your further thoughts are on the subject. I think we are both in the same spot at the moment, badly in need of decent contact mgmt that integrates with Google and/or 37Signals. I really hope for a Google solution , which would be the clincher for their Apps for Domain offering. Think how popular it would become!

    Wes

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